Countermail Invitation code
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Zitat Countermail zu Protonmail:
Edit: We have a long queue so it may take a long time to get invite codes in other ways than the main way, that another Countermail user gives you one invite.
We will not take on more than 20k users. So we have a queue for the invites. Sometimes, old Countermail-accounts do not pay their renewal, such accounts will be automatically deleted after 24 months. And then we get room for new users. Since we opened in 2010, it's some accounts every week that gets deleted (following the removal-rules we wrote above). There is no idea in sending several invitecode requests, this will just move down your request to the bottom of the Invite-queue. The reason for having a maximum limit of 20k users, is that we don't want to take on more users that we can handle; both for tech support reasons and funding reasons, we dont want to get dependent of any third party company for funds. Many secure email providers are actually dependent on funds from third party companies, read about one example below. Protonmail in Switzerland.
We believe that an independent company has more ways to control the whole company and the company policy, one reason is that we are not required to hire people from any big fund raiser, and we are not required to follow some special requirements created by a fund raiser.
We feel a bit sorry for the people who paid for their Protonmail accounts IF they thought that Protonmail.com could not monitor their own users IP-addresses, which they apparently can do, read for yourself:
https://protonmail.com/blog/transparency-report/
There are also claims that may indicate that something could be wrong with this provider.
We think it's important that for example whistleblowers should at least be aware of these claims*:
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmail-devs-do-not-use-protonmail/
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmails-false-claims/
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmails-creation-with-cia-nsa/
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmails-crowdfunding-equity-sale/
*Note: We have nothing to do with the domain https://privacy-watchdog.io We received an email that informed us about this info, and that domain. So you have to make your own opinion/investigation about these claims. We could verify that some claims are true, but others claims are harder to verify.
Another coincidence is the fact that some companies in Switzerland (.CH) have a long time relationship with CIA. It started in 1970 with Crypto AG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
Earlier we used to recommend Protonmail for users who could not afford to pay for an email, but nowadays we can not recommend ProtonMail until they have responded to the questions and allogations made on Privacy-Watchdog.io. We have informed Protonmail that they should answer/explain these allogations, so we will see what happens...
2022
- Number of legal orders: 6,995
- Contested orders: 1,038
- Orders complied with: 5,957
Another alternatives to get in queue for Invitation codes
Edit: We have a long queue so it may take a long time to get invite codes in other ways than the main way, that another Countermail user gives you one invite.
We will not take on more than 20k users. So we have a queue for the invites. Sometimes, old Countermail-accounts do not pay their renewal, such accounts will be automatically deleted after 24 months. And then we get room for new users. Since we opened in 2010, it's some accounts every week that gets deleted (following the removal-rules we wrote above). There is no idea in sending several invitecode requests, this will just move down your request to the bottom of the Invite-queue. The reason for having a maximum limit of 20k users, is that we don't want to take on more users that we can handle; both for tech support reasons and funding reasons, we dont want to get dependent of any third party company for funds. Many secure email providers are actually dependent on funds from third party companies, read about one example below. Protonmail in Switzerland.
We believe that an independent company has more ways to control the whole company and the company policy, one reason is that we are not required to hire people from any big fund raiser, and we are not required to follow some special requirements created by a fund raiser.
We feel a bit sorry for the people who paid for their Protonmail accounts IF they thought that Protonmail.com could not monitor their own users IP-addresses, which they apparently can do, read for yourself:
https://protonmail.com/blog/transparency-report/
There are also claims that may indicate that something could be wrong with this provider.
We think it's important that for example whistleblowers should at least be aware of these claims*:
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmail-devs-do-not-use-protonmail/
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmails-false-claims/
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmails-creation-with-cia-nsa/
https://privacy-watchdog.io/protonmails-crowdfunding-equity-sale/
*Note: We have nothing to do with the domain https://privacy-watchdog.io We received an email that informed us about this info, and that domain. So you have to make your own opinion/investigation about these claims. We could verify that some claims are true, but others claims are harder to verify.
Another coincidence is the fact that some companies in Switzerland (.CH) have a long time relationship with CIA. It started in 1970 with Crypto AG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
Earlier we used to recommend Protonmail for users who could not afford to pay for an email, but nowadays we can not recommend ProtonMail until they have responded to the questions and allogations made on Privacy-Watchdog.io. We have informed Protonmail that they should answer/explain these allogations, so we will see what happens...
BAM-BAM
Junior Member
Früher haben wir Protonmail für Benutzer empfohlen, die es sich nicht leisten konnten, für eine E-Mail zu bezahlen, aber heutzutage können wir ProtonMail nicht empfehlen
Danke für die Info.
Ich habe auch einen Account bei Protonmail, die Frage, dich sich mir jetzt stellt, welchen E-Mail Anbieter soll man verwenden?
Lars schreibt ja auch:
Momentan seh ich Coutermail als einen der Top Anbieter, zumindest in meinen Augen.
Lassen ja alles über den Webserver laufen der auf ner CD ist, somit kann man keine Daten
von außen einschleußen und IPs werden auch nicht hinterlegt dabei da nichts auf die CD
geschrieben wird, vermute ich.
Zudem gibt es noch zusätzlich zum Passwort die Option USB Key für den Login.
Zitat:
"Our web server will then save the encrypted mail to our mail server. Our web server does not log any IP-addresses, to increase the security and to prevent our web server from leaking IP-adresses to a hard drive, we run them only from CD-ROM disks.
The diskless web server is a unique security feature, it will prevent IP-addresses leaking to a hard drive, if someone "steals" the web server they will find nothing. The diskless web server is used as a filter to our mail servers. Our mail server uses hard drives to store the encrypted messages, but remember that all messages stored on our mail server is already encrypted at the client side (on your computer). Your computer will never have any contact with our mail servers, only with our diskless web servers."
Lassen ja alles über den Webserver laufen der auf ner CD ist, somit kann man keine Daten
von außen einschleußen und IPs werden auch nicht hinterlegt dabei da nichts auf die CD
geschrieben wird, vermute ich.
Zudem gibt es noch zusätzlich zum Passwort die Option USB Key für den Login.
Zitat:
"Our web server will then save the encrypted mail to our mail server. Our web server does not log any IP-addresses, to increase the security and to prevent our web server from leaking IP-adresses to a hard drive, we run them only from CD-ROM disks.
The diskless web server is a unique security feature, it will prevent IP-addresses leaking to a hard drive, if someone "steals" the web server they will find nothing. The diskless web server is used as a filter to our mail servers. Our mail server uses hard drives to store the encrypted messages, but remember that all messages stored on our mail server is already encrypted at the client side (on your computer). Your computer will never have any contact with our mail servers, only with our diskless web servers."
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Barbiehunter
Junior Member
Hab selbst Monate lang nach ein ein guten Ersatz geguckt für meine Mails (Davor Tutanota) und es ist ngl schwer was zu finden. Wenn es Free sein muss (Invite/Antrag eingeschlossen). Riseup und Disroot sollen ganz okay sein. Klar schlagen bei Riseup etwas die Alarm glocken, da die in der USA sitzen, aber wenn man mal auf deren Seite guckt sagen die selbst das alles okay ist. Ansonsten etwas schwer, bleibt die wahl nur bei Proton und Tutanota. Wenn man etwas geld in der Hand nehmen möchte (Man hat ja auch geld für PP) Kann man sich Posteo angucken, Haben Relativ gute Policy und selbst deren Bezahlungen und Account getrennt (Ja auch Barzahlung, für die die es ja auch bei PP wollen, lol.) Ansonsten halt Mail Trennung machen, Also X sachen beim X Anbieter und X Sache beim anderen. Wie das Prinzip vom 3-Browser Konzept.
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BAM-BAM
Junior Member
Ich auch.Für einen Invitation code wäre ich auch dankbar.
BAM-BAM
Junior Member
Hast du schon einen Invitation Code bekommen?
Nein, auch beim Support von Countermail im Ticket um einen gebettelt.
Meinten zwecks Ihrer zu hohen Nutzerzahlen nehmen Sie keine neuen, deshalb der Invation Code.
Soll aber irgendwann Mitte/Ende des Jahres wieder offen sein ohne Invation Code meinten Sie